Thanks for the replay Adamus, I'm using Traded Navigator as my platform. They do have an auto system that comes with their high end version but I don't have it . I was using a ladder to enter manually but I use a 150 tick chart and price moves so fast at the close in this setting you're lucky if you can pag it This morning I set an audio alert at 10% of the bar remaining and just hit market once it was triggered It seemed to get me in with in a tick or two if not dead on at the close. It seems to work the best out of every thing I've tryed so it might just be the key. I ended up with 49 ticks after fees at the end of my morning that was in sim mode mind you :P