The Forest Service is making Us Nervous

[Audreysn]

We have a managed burn going on in our neck of the woods. The latest fire info shows the closest point 2.01 miles from our cabin; according to Google Earth's measurement. That is close! Yes, we have had a wet July and August, but we were dry as tinder before that. Even now, in the last week their fire danger indicator has risen from the Low it finally dropped to after the rains, back to a Moderate. The pine needles on the ground were starting to crunch again last weekend.

This is the same FS division that had a controlled burn in 2000; the one that got away and destroyed several hundred homes and other damages to the tune of over 1$Billion. However, that was in May when it was much drier.

Search for the Pino fire. Started by lightning in the area that had been planned for the managed burn all summer. http://www.geomac.gov/index.shtml The View KML option will let a map overlay be opened in Google Earth.

I know it has to be done, but it is a tad hard on the nerves.

[aotvfdqd81]

We've seen it and (cough) smelled it. Up close are they keeping it a ground fire or is it larger and moving in the tree tops? I had heard yesterday that it's size was over a 1000 acres.

We were backpacking in the San Pedro Parks 2 weeks ago and it was as wet as I've seen. There seemed no chance of natural fire. I've never seen so many mushrooms around there.

Todays rain should help keep it down. Un-nerving though that it is so close. I hope that they are able to manage it.

If it works as they hope, maybe in the long term that is a good outcome for you?

[Bitcroka]

It is winding down, according to the news. In the long run it is very good. But it still makes for nerves right now. They have kept it south of FR 270. There is a small development that the 9/3 satellite images show was only a few hundred yards north of the burn line. No new maps so far today; maybe it was too cloudy to fly last night? ??? This coupled with the thinning of lands adjacent to the planned burn area makes the lands SW of us less prone to bad wildfire. We'll see about having a look this weekend.

As far as the type of burn, we were told it is supposed to be a ground fire. Not hot enough to get the tree tops involved. That's what they told us two years ago when they did some burning along hwy 4 between La Cueva and Los Alamos. Have you driven that lately.? The fire burned hotter than expected and they did a lot of lower half damage to the ponderosa pines. Lots of brown needles from heat kill. In places entire trees got it.

[aytalsroN]

Generally, from the ones I've seen, they do a good job of it, and I think conditions are right. Maybe you can get over and see it this weekend like you say. I've seen two controlled burns this year up close, in Utah, and they truly were ground fires, and looked very beneficial to my eyes. The one in 2000 was a major fu-k up. They had no business doing that, given the dry conditions. I've not driven over to Los Alamos lately, but I know they can get out of hand, even if only a little.

Rain again today I believe.

I wonder how the FS would respond to a controlled burn threatening dwelling structures?

[Arthurdelt]

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Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn’t mean it is good design.

If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time and money to fix it?

[admin]

The 'managed burn' worked out well enough. We drove through the area Fri night and saw some smoke, about a thousand little hot spots; stumps, bigger logs on the ground etc flaming and smouldering. Time will tell if any of the larger trees got heat burned enough to kill them. The trash on the ground, pine needle duff, fallen branches and the like were all burned up. However, the forest is still overpopulated with trees, mostly conifers. The crown fire danger may not have been helped much, but it should be a while before any ground fire danger grows back. I have some pictures if anyone is interested.