DHS orders targets from Law Enforcement Targets, Inc

You may not get into that link -- I keep getting "server too busy"


According to Law Enforcement Targets Inc these targets are part of a 'no more hesitation' training program for law enforcement and DHS

DHS has ordered about $2 M from this company

Maybe these targets are for the 2 billion rounds of ammo DHS has recently purchased

I was able to get this from letargets.com

http://www.letargets.com/images/cate...H_Category.jpg

No More Hesitation

No More Hesitation Targets were designed to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.No More Hesitation faded background enhances the isolation and is meant to help the transition for officers who are faced with these highly unusal targets for the first time.
Mix & Match "No More Hesitation" targets for best pricing.

Windpower, out of curiosity, if a law enforcement officer is operating within the constitution, and encounters a situation like this, what should they do? Do you have a problem with them training for a situation like this? Should law enforcement only practice deadly force on targets consisting of men wearing vintage 90's attire, sporting a porn stash?

So is this an endorsement or a criticism?


The hard part with these targets is seeing the gun, at least from the small images that is what I sense. Perhaps the real targets at the distances they are meant to be used make that different. The real test for using these would be to have the targets used in a typical urban target setting with the images popping into view from behind cars and popping into view in doorways and windows. The real test then becomes one of the officer discerning whether or not the target image is a threat or not a threat. Holding a gun aimed at the officer or not holding a gun. That is extremely difficult to see and decide, before the alleged perp fires his gun and puts two into your face.

So if the OP was a criticism please expand on how officers are supposed to protect us and themselves when dealing with the possibly unbalanced minds of other people with guns?

I used to work with a ex-policeman

he indeed had guns pointed at him

the situations were resolved without gunfire

Police choose their profession, do they not -- it comes with the territory


On the other hand, let's all take advantage of these wonderful targets to make us more safe

go ahead order a bunch of these and take them to your local range --

Tell the range officer it is to help you be more careful in the use of your concealed carry permit --

let me know how that works out for you

We see things very differently. No surprise there. When I enlarge those images on my screen, to get a clearer view, I more or less do not see the person any more. I see the gun. The person fades into the faded out target background. The gun that is pointed at me. It's not in profile aimed someplace else. It's the gun that is the threat, not whether or not the person looks like a stereotypical villain*, a cute schoolgirl, or my grandad. You may think that is callous and you have the right to think whatever you want.

* -- going off topic a little-- There is no stereotypical villain. There's one lecture that keeps returning to my mind from time to time. Decades ago the presenter of the first loss prevention class I took asked the question "what does a thief look like?" Many people in the class volunteered opinions. Next he showed a short slide show with a real honest to goodness Kodak Ektagraphic 35mm slide projector. Images of ordinary people, much like all those people in the targets. Grandpas and grandmas, Moms, well dressed people, etc. All where photos of people arrested for stealing from retail merchants.

None of them were pointing guns, but that is not my point. Those people had an all-american, wholesome though unhappy at the time of the photo, normal appearance. But they had been caught stealing merchandise from retail stores. I transition that to ordinary looking people aiming guns at the law enforcement officer. It's the gun that is the problem. If someone is pointing a gun directly at you, what are you the officer, supposed to do?? Assuming you and any other on site officers have been yelling to drop the gun. They do that you know. Assuming the perp does not drop the gun and continues to point it at you and possibly make verbal taunts. What do you do? Pray the perp is a really bad shot and maybe only has a 22LR and not a more powerful firearm? Hope that another officer fires first? It is a difficult question.